Paging pro war bitches

[gurentai_pt1]

The gas prices are still high. WTF I thought I heard some people go "If I don't have to pay $2 for gas then it's fine" etc, bitch it's still fucking 1.89 and they're saying it will go up even more in summer.

NO WMD (they will find some though, but it will be miniscule)
NO Lower gas prices
NO lower threat of terrorism vs US

Are any people who were pro war before the war changing their minds? If it were me I'd be pissed that I am getting NOTHING that was promised.

[MrHill]

Not only do we not get a damn thing, but the education budget has been cut because of all the money being spent in Iraq. Tuition at SFSU took a noticible hike, and Santa Monica College has already said that many classes will not be availible next semester because the government has cut it's community college budget significantly. So now, someone like me who is going from a state school to a community college (it's easier to transfer to a UC from a CC than from a state) is getting shafted because it's going to be tougher to get the classes I want, and the prices of CC classes will most likely rise next semester.

Congradulations to George Bush and to the American media companies. They're the only winners in this one.

[SoCal Tom Walters]

Originally posted by MrHill
Not only do we not get a damn thing, but the education budget has been cut because of all the money being spent in Iraq. Tuition at SFSU took a noticible hike, and Santa Monica College has already said that many classes will not be availible next semester because the government has cut it's community college budget significantly. So now, someone like me who is going from a state school to a community college (it's easier to transfer to a UC from a CC than from a state) is getting shafted because it's going to be tougher to get the classes I want, and the prices of CC classes will most likely rise next semester.

Congradulations to George Bush and to the American media companies. They're the only winners in this one.

That has nothing to do with the war. It was a bill passed by Gray Davis aka piece of shit faggot because the California State Treasury is bankrupt. The best was when he was running for re-election he said his 3 concerns as governor will be "education, education, and education". I guess he wasn't lying. I can't believe anyone voted to re-elect that motherfucker.

[SabuFan316]

like i was gonna take automotive repair or cometology

[Justin Crast]

Tom's correct. Even though I like to point out MrHill's wise comment regarding how had the Palestinians gone the Ghandi route they'd already have a nation, this latest post was bizarre. It's the first I've heard California's educational woes being blamed on Bush's war.

Justin

[Justin Crast]

Although it's worth noting that even if Davis hadn't been re-elected, whoever would have won would have inherited his horrible budget concerns and be forced to make cutbacks as well... and unfortunately, education is almost always a large part.

Justin (Davis is still no good)

[Doron Diamond]

My bet is MrHill voted for Davis this time around. Nice.

[Steve72]

Originally posted by SabuFan316
like i was gonna take automotive repair or cometology

Man, why don't you shut the fuck up.

[Doron Diamond]

I don't see the difference between his sarcasm and yours. If anything, his stay on the topic more often than not.

[Justin Crast]

: it's easier to transfer to a UC from a CC than from a state)

That's not necessarily true either.

Justin

[gurentai_pt1]

OK, I believe you were pro-war, what do you have to say about the lack of all of the things the administration promised?

Let me guess...."it's too early". How long do you expect to wait then?

[Steve72]

LOL@Crazy Doron.

I love the implication that "Automotive Repair" is somehow a menial job, and therefore, "beneath" the stature of someone so worldly as SabuFan.

There are actually some of us who consider knowledge in "Automotive Repair" quite useful, especially if one doesn't want to be stuck taking his precious "SUV" to the mechanic just to get a tail-light bulb replaced.

Anyway, Crazy Doron, to address your point, there IS a difference between my "sarcasm" and SabuFan's. You see, Crazy Doron, when I imply that DoronD is stupid as a pile of bricks, its making a judgement call on DoronD, one person, based on the limited social interaction we've had on this board.

Your buddy SabuFan, on the other hand, made a value judgement on an entire group of people, based on what? Social stereotypes?

So, in conclusion, you are both stupid. LOL@FAGGOTS!

[Steve72]

Originally posted by Justin Crast
: it's easier to transfer to a UC from a CC than from a state)

That's not necessarily true either.

Justin

Explain.

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Justin Crast
Tom's correct. Even though I like to point out MrHill's wise comment regarding how had the Palestinians gone the Ghandi route they'd already have a nation, this latest post was bizarre. It's the first I've heard California's educational woes being blamed on Bush's war.

Justin

I'm well aware of Gray Davis fucking everything up. Here is where I based my comment off.

In December, all of the students at SF State recieved letters saying that the tuition for next year would be hiking up. This was due to Davis cutting the education funding.

However, in April, we got another notice saying the tuition for next year would be taking another hike. On SFSU's web site, and in a statement made by President Corrigan of SF State when the war began, they explained that the most recent tuition hike was due to less federal funding coming into the state because of the war. It's all got to do with the trickle down economic system we have in this country. The government has less to give the state because of the war.

California's education system is getting fucked first and foremost by Gray Davis, but the war also plays a role.

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
My bet is MrHill voted for Davis this time around. Nice.

Well asshole, if you want the truth, I didn't vote in that election because I was registered in LA County and I was living in SF County. I missed the boat on absentee balloting, but I was going to vote for Bill Simon. I really didn't like Simon, but Davis is really fucking this state up. Don't they only need like 400,000 more signatures to get Davis pulled from office anyway?

Originally posted by Justin Crast
: it's easier to transfer to a UC from a CC than from a state)

That's not necessarily true either.

Justin

It's not only true, it's proven. Because CC systems are made for transfering, especially at schools like SMC where I'm going, they often pick students from CC's over students from other four year schools because they will have an easier time assimilating into their new school. Now, truth be told, I really don't think it matters where you went to school, but it matters to the UC's, so I'll change and go the CC route for now.

Originally posted by SabuFan316
like i was gonna take automotive repair or cometology

Man, minute by minute you prove that you are indeed of the Beverly mold.

I'm glad to see this forum blow up like it has though. The spread of political knowledge to more and more people, even in small things like wrestling discussion, is long overdue.

[DoronD]

Originally posted by teamJesus

Anyway, Crazy Doron, to address your point, there IS a difference between my "sarcasm" and SabuFan's. You see, Crazy Doron, when I imply that DoronD is stupid as a pile of bricks, its making a judgement call on DoronD, one person, based on the limited social interaction we've had on this board.

Your buddy SabuFan, on the other hand, made a value judgement on an entire group of people, based on what? Social stereotypes?

So, in conclusion, you are both stupid. LOL@FAGGOTS!
Get off my jock.Bitch

[Doron Diamond]

To Paul

>>OK, I believe you were pro-war, what do you have to say about the lack of all of the things the administration promised?

I don't see a total lack. If we don't find WMD's, yes, I do think it's a big problem, and I do think Bush will have a big problem on his hands. However, if you are going to try and spin it that Bush purposely and knowingly lied to us, then you'd have to accept that you were knowingly lied to by a TON of people, including Clinton, other countries who acknowledged the fact that Iraq had a dangerous weapons program, and a ton of other people who thought the exact same way as Bush. Again, I admit, if no WMD's are found, Bush has a big problem to deal with, and it will have been a mistake on his part. But anyone trying to spin it as a vast conspiracy has a lot of other plot holes to explain.
Another promise was that Saddam's reign of terror would end on the people, and that was accomplished. Yeah you can find plenty of stories that show how things might be worse, but overall, things are majorly illustrating that they are far better off without him. And it's funny you talk about gas prices. Last summer when gas prices were really low, no one gave Bush any credit whatsoever. Seems like people only blame him for high prices, but never low ones.

>>Let me guess...."it's too early". How long do you expect to wait then?

Not forever, but yes, it's still too early. When people were making decisions too early into the war, we were getting predictions that this would be WW3, and that the world was coming to an end. So yeah, I'm sick of everyone having their "predicitons" that they're so sure about.


To TeamJesusSteve-

I never once said SabuFan's comments weren't ridiculous. I simply stated that you make a million ridiculous, nonsense posts too, some just as bad if not worse than that, yet you bash him for it. Total hypocrisy. When you feel like being funny it's ok, but when someone else tries it isn't.

>>Anyway, Crazy Doron, to address your point, there IS a difference between my "sarcasm" and SabuFan's. You see, Crazy Doron, when I imply that DoronD is stupid as a pile of bricks, its making a judgement call on DoronD, one person, based on the limited social interaction we've had on this board.

Nope, you've made a ton of sarcastic nonsense comments before. You're reaching for straws, and again, you only like it when you're the one making the jokes and insults.

To Lonnie-

Alright. Fair's fair, and I believe you when you say you would have voted Simon. You're still an idiot and a hypocrite though.

[Steve72]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
To Paul

To TeamJesusSteve-

I never once said SabuFan's comments weren't ridiculous. I simply stated that you make a million ridiculous, nonsense posts too, some just as bad if not worse than that, yet you bash him for it. Total hypocrisy. When you feel like being funny it's ok, but when someone else tries it isn't.

>>Anyway, Crazy Doron, to address your point, there IS a difference between my "sarcasm" and SabuFan's. You see, Crazy Doron, when I imply that DoronD is stupid as a pile of bricks, its making a judgement call on DoronD, one person, based on the limited social interaction we've had on this board.

Nope, you've made a ton of sarcastic nonsense comments before. You're reaching for straws, and again, you only like it when you're the one making the jokes and insults.


Way to miss the point, Doron. I've only made jokes and insults at people, never at a specific group, and its always been based of my own judgements on the person, rather than some stereotype. But if you can provide a list of these million sarcastic ridiculous nonsense posts, we will go through them. I may be an asshole, but I'm not an ignorant asshole, who believes in class stereotypes.

Besides, I never "bashed" him in the original post, I just told him to shut the fuck up. Anyone is free to say the same to me. Hyprocracy would be if I had the power to make him shut up, and used said power, while continuing to make my ridiculous sarcastic nonsense posts. But, much like my sarcastic ridiculous nonsense posts, I am just stating my opinion. Therefore, you are GAY!!!!!!!!!! GAY GAYERSON!

BTW, how many times are you gonna say "reaching for straws."


. However, if you are going to try and spin it that Bush purposely and knowingly lied to us, then you'd have to accept that you were knowingly lied to by a TON of people, including Clinton, other countries who acknowledged the fact that Iraq had a dangerous weapons program, and a ton of other people who thought the exact same way as Bush.

Why do you think people would have trouble admitting Clinton was a liar?

[DoronD]

Therefore, you are GAY!!!!!!!!!! GAY GAYERSON!
It's so easy to talk shit behind the safety of the computer,isnt it?

[Doron Diamond]

>>Way to miss the point, Doron. I've only made jokes and insults at people, never at a specific group, and its always been based of my own judgements on the person, rather than some stereotype.

I never said that the problem was he insulted a group, you didn't, and I'm bashing you the same for it. I'm just saying he was obviously trying to be funny (whether it was or not is up to you) and you told him to shut the fuck up, when you've made a ton of comments that were stupid and provided nothing intellectual to any thread. I guess I wasn't clear in my last post. And I realize anyone has the power to say what they want, and they could tell you to shut the fuck up if they feel like it, but I still think you're hypocritical for wanting him to shut up after making a dumb comment when you make a ton yourself.

>>Besides, I never "bashed" him in the original post, I just told him to shut the fuck up.

You calling him an idiot or telling him to shut the fuck up is basically the same thing.

>>Anyone is free to say the same to me. Hyprocracy would be if I had the power to make him shut up, and used said power, while continuing to make my ridiculous sarcastic nonsense posts.

If someone ever dared say that to you, you'd get all riled up message board style and attack them in two seconds, so I find that hypocritical.

>>BTW, how many times are you gonna say "reaching for straws."

As many times as you do it.

[Steve72]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
[B]>>Way to miss the point, Doron. I've only made jokes and insults at people, never at a specific group, and its always been based of my own judgements on the person, rather than some stereotype.

I never said that the problem was he insulted a group, you didn't, and I'm bashing you the same for it. I'm just saying he was obviously trying to be funny (whether it was or not is up to you) and you told him to shut the fuck up, when you've made a ton of comments that were stupid and provided nothing intellectual to any thread. I guess I wasn't clear in my last post. And I realize anyone has the power to say what they want, and they could tell you to shut the fuck up if they feel like it, but I still think you're hypocritical for wanting him to shut up after making a dumb comment when you make a ton yourself.

Nope, because me wanting him to shut up was simply my opinion, and there is no way to enforce it. If he did shut the fuck up, then I could see that I was being hypocritical, but since I don't have the ability to make him shut up, once again, its just me expressing my opinion.

I think you have "irony" confused with "hypocricy" Doron. Again, like I said, if I somehow made him "shut up" and removed his ability to post, then yes, it would be hypocricy.

>>Besides, I never "bashed" him in the original post, I just told him to shut the fuck up.

You calling him an idiot or telling him to shut the fuck up is basically the same thing.

>>Anyone is free to say the same to me. Hyprocracy would be if I had the power to make him shut up, and used said power, while continuing to make my ridiculous sarcastic nonsense posts.

If someone ever dared say that to you, you'd get all riled up message board style and attack them in two seconds, so I find that hypocritical.

Stupid. How exactly can I be "hypocritical" just because someone else reacts differently than I do.

He has the same freedom to get "riled up message board style" and attack me, but because he chooses not to, that makes me hypocritical? Again, maybe if I used some my magical voodoo powers to control him, and prevent him from "attacking me" then yes, I would be a hypocrite.


It's so easy to talk shit behind the safety of the computer,isnt it?

Give me a break, already. How many times are you going to show people how stupid you are? What was the last show you went to, cause I sure as shit haven't seen you at anything? Would you like to arrange some sort of midnight rendezvous where we can have a discussion? Have your people call my people, and I'll pencil in some "DoronD" time.

[DoronD]

Would you like to arrange some sort of midnight rendezvous where we can have a discussion?
Only if the drinks are on you.

[SabuFan316]

Originally posted by teamJesus
LOL@Crazy Doron.

I love the implication that "Automotive Repair" is somehow a menial job, and therefore, "beneath" the stature of someone so worldly as SabuFan.

There are actually some of us who consider knowledge in "Automotive Repair" quite useful, especially if one doesn't want to be stuck taking his precious "SUV" to the mechanic just to get a tail-light bulb replaced.

Your buddy SabuFan, on the other hand, made a value judgement on an entire group of people, based on what? Social stereotypes?

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I was being sarcastic TeamJesus. While I dont care about the classes that were cut, because I personally have no need to take any single one of them...I'm fully aware that some people have to take it and am I am NOT against the class. I was merely trying to make the point that the classes they were cutting, were obscure to most and essential to few. You really cant argue that even a percent of the people at that school have or will take Automotive Repair. I am more adamant about the unit price change nearly doubling in the fall...because that truly does effect everyone.

[antizionist]

Maybe I'm reaching for straws here, but wasn't this thread about the Bush war?

PS- DoronD scares me.

[Doron Diamond]

Yep. So were several of the threads that you turned into Israel/Palestine debates.

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
To Lonnie-

Alright. Fair's fair, and I believe you when you say you would have voted Simon. You're still an idiot and a hypocrite though.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm still an idiot and a hypocrite? HOW?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

Hypocrite is like you're new favorite insult. You seem to be throwing it around a lot. Anyone who disagrees with you is suddenly a hypocrite. WHY? Because I don't support Israeli occupation? Because I was adamantly opposed to a war that brought us absolutely nothing? I don't see what makes myself, teamJesus, Paul T., or antizionist a HYPOCRITE. You must have a very different definition than we do.

[Doron Diamond]

>>Hypocrite is like you're new favorite insult. You seem to be throwing it around a lot.

I only throw it around when someone is being one.

>>Anyone who disagrees with you is suddenly a hypocrite.

Nope. I don't think Paul T is being a hypocrite at all. We disagree one things but I still respect him because his posts and comments make sense to me for the most part. Same with Socal Tom. I disagree with him sometimes but I like the way he backs his points up and I don't see him being a hypocrite. You, and TeamJesus are hypocrites, and AntiZionist is just biased and insane.

You are a hypocrite dating back to that comment you made about infringing on people's rights, when you did the exact same thing by protesting and infringing on other's rights. Thus, you're a huge hypocrite.

[SabuFan316]

Originally posted by MrHill
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hypocrite is like you're new favorite insult.

apostrophe WHORE

[Ruben]

I was being sarcastic TeamJesus. While I dont care about the classes that were cut, because I personally have no need to take any single one of them...I'm fully aware that some people have to take it and am I am NOT against the class. I was merely trying to make the point that the classes they were cutting, were obscure to most and essential to few. You really cant argue that even a percent of the people at that school have or will take Automotive Repair. I am more adamant about the unit price change nearly doubling in the fall...because that truly does effect everyone.


Shouldn't cutting a class help or attempt to keep the unit prices down??

Alot of people care about these automobile repair classes. Where I go to school, the majority of these classes always close earlier than most, if not, the fastest. Therefore, making automobile repair not "obscure." Maybe they're "obscure" to you, but people depend on them to make a living whether it be the student taking it or the instructor teaching it.

Fuck Davis, Fuck his mom, Fuck his grandma, fuck his kids, fuck his shoes, fuck his socks!!!

Doron D:

The world doesn't revolve around Israel, sorry!

[DoronD]

Originally posted by Ruben

Doron D:

The world doesn't revolve around Israel, sorry!

Never said it did.

[SoCal Tom Walters]

I dunno about other schools but at my school, the classes were cut across the board. Not just so-called "obscure" classes were eliminated. Math 100 is a class that every single student transferring to a UC or CS needs to take before they can move on so you'd think that would be an important class with 20 or so different meetings, but it's been cut down to about 5. Math classes as it is at my school are ridiculously overpopulated. This cut is screwing over a ton of people from getting credits they need to transfer. The number of of other general ed classes like English, Science, and History classes were also cut drastically. It really sucks because elective classes are a big part of the number of units I need to transfer and there's a pretty limited number of options right now of classes to take.

[SabuFan316]

im sure SOME people need it, ive taken obscure classes to. But I know no one who has taken it at my school.

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
You are a hypocrite dating back to that comment you made about infringing on people's rights, when you did the exact same thing by protesting and infringing on other's rights. Thus, you're a huge hypocrite.

But I've given my justification for protesting. I'm not saying one thing and knowingly doing another, hence I am not a hypocrite.

The cut is really fucking with everyone. At SF State, I wanted to take English 214, but they took it off the list for second semester. I'm only taking one class at SMC this summer, but I'm going to be registering for next semester the second it becomes availible, because it doesn't look like there will be a lot availible.

Ruben, I agree with you, fuck Governor Davis and his shoes.

And fuck George Bush too.

[Doron Diamond]

>>But I've given my justification for protesting.

The only person you justified it to was yourself.

>>I'm not saying one thing and knowingly doing another, hence I am not a hypocrite.

You blamed the cops for infringing on your "rights" when you were doing the exact same thing to other people. That makes you a hypocrite.

[Justin Crast]

1) Automotive Repair isn't very obscure. I will vouch for it being a very popular class in my area.

2) Complaining about your rights being infringed and then infringing on other's rights makes you a hypocrite no matter what your justification is. Actions are what counts, in the end.

3) I'm not sure why Lonnie thinks the war is affecting the education budget in California or why he thinks the SFSU President said as such. I searched the SFSU site and never found any statement that claims the war is to blame for less money. I did find this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/14/ED232095.DTL

Made on April 14th, 2003. The President stated what Tom and I have said all along, that Davis' cuts are to blame. He never mentions Bush, war, or anything at all concerning outside of California.

I also found this article:

http://www.metnews.com/articles/haynes032603.htm

Written on March 26th, 2003. The writer points out the fault in blaming the war on cuts in school funding. He points out Bush's first two budgets actually increased funding of public schooling although the way the US government works, that only accounts for abotu 10 percent of the total funding. The vast majority is left up to the states and govenors like Davis.

So in conclusion, I couldn't find the article Lonnie said proved his point and actually found other articles that refute his stance completely.

Justin

[MrHill]

President Corrigan made the statement on the Monday we got back from spring break (the war started during our spring break). He said that SFSU was an anti-war school, and he also said that the war was partially to blame for the tuition hiking even further than it had because of Governor Davis' budgeting. You can search the site all you want, if you don't find it, I'm really not concerned. A few friends of mine actually saw the speech live, and I remember when I read the news when I woke up. Why would I lie about this stuff?

[SabuFan316]

Why does Paul T get to page people?

[antizionist]

Biased and insane. That's rich. Doron... call me crazy but were you just reaching for straws?

I, on the other hand will say something and back it up. I called you a liar and proved it with a post you made (even though you tried and failed to weasel out of it). You are neither bright nor knowledgable. You get most of everything wrong... but you have an increasingly untenable position to defend so you try to manipulate facts. I guess that's an excuse.

You have no integrity, none. You are wrong on virtually everything and yet continue to post away with a single admission of your complete and utter failure to analyze any situation correctly.

But then of course... the things you say... it all makes sense if you suspend disbelief.

[Doron Diamond]

>>President Corrigan made the statement on the Monday we got back from spring break (the war started during our spring break). He said that SFSU was an anti-war school,

I didn't know there were schools that liked war...

>>and he also said that the war was partially to blame for the tuition hiking even further than it had because of Governor Davis' budgeting. You can search the site all you want, if you don't find it, I'm really not concerned. A few friends of mine actually saw the speech live, and I remember when I read the news when I woke up. Why would I lie about this stuff?

That's not Justin's point. Even if he didn't find anything on the site that backed up what Corrigan said, if anything, he found stuff that went AGAINST that type of statement. Corrigan is probably anti-Bush, and thus feels he can make whatever comment he wants. Doesn't make it true.

>>Biased and insane. That's rich. Doron... call me crazy but were you just reaching for straws?

Nope, I wasn't. You're not insane for all your points, a lot of your points I completely agree with. But many of your points are just plain wrong and crazy. For instance, the way you tried to spin that woman getting run over by the bulldozer as an act of "evil Israeli action" was ridiculous.
And you've convinced no one of the ridiculous notion that I want the whole Palestinian race wiped out. Except maybe Mr. Hill. By the way, Anti, if you're not biased at all, then how come when Mr. Hill says something like "Fuck Israel" you have nothing to say about how he generalizes and how he wants them all gone, but if someone were to say "Fuck the Palestinians" you'd be all over them? Again, typical hypocrisy on your part.

[SabuFan316]

I didn't know there were schools that liked war...
[/B][/QUOTE]

West Point

[antizionist]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
Nope, I wasn't. You're not insane for all your points, a lot of your points I completely agree with. But many of your points are just plain wrong and crazy. For instance, the way you tried to spin that woman getting run over by the bulldozer as an act of "evil Israeli action" was ridiculous.

Running over an American protestor in plain sight isn't evil?

And you've convinced no one of the ridiculous notion that I want the whole Palestinian race wiped out. Except maybe Mr. Hill.

Still trying to defend the indefensible? Ok well I'll do this one last time:

Me: But then again you're the same guy that said the only way peace would happen if all Palestinians were gone from occupied Palestine, aka "Israel".

You: And this is why no one takes you seriously- Because you continue to call me a racist and claim I said the Palestinians are gone and destroyed. I never said either one, and you can't find one quote where I did. You put words in my mouth and lie- thus, no one takes you seriously (or, no one should anyway).

Me: Plus YOU DID say the only way for peace is if one side was completely gone. You did say that.

You: Again, nope. Find it. Never said it. Ever.

Previous Post
Me: Bottom line, the cycle of violence needs to be broken. We can all talk about the bombings until we’re blue in the face, but in the end, the only way to get peace is to get to the root of the problem.

You: There will never be peace there. Not until one side is gone. Ever.

After being exposed
You: Nor did I ever say I *want* a side gone. I merely stated an opinion that I don't see there being peace until one side is gone, and I stick by that.

Seems to me you got scared and backtracked by saying you never said you *wanted* one side gone, then nearly contradicted yourself by saying that is the only way you see peace happening. The fact is you said only one side can be in that land in order for there to be peace. Because of your obvious staunch stance with the side of Israel and you being Jewish, anyone with half a brain would come to the conclusion that you would choose Israel over Palestine as the one side to exist for their to be peace. This drew me to saying that you see peace if only Palestinians were gone. Anyone can connect the dots here and come up with the same conclusion.

Finally, the most incriminating evidence of you being either a liar or hypocrite (take your pick):

Me: Plus YOU DID say the only way for peace is if one side was completely gone. You did say that.

You: Again, nope. Find it. Never said it. Ever.

By the way, Anti, if you're not biased at all, then how come when Mr. Hill says something like "Fuck Israel" you have nothing to say about how he generalizes and how he wants them all gone, but if someone were to say "Fuck the Palestinians" you'd be all over them? Again, typical hypocrisy on your part. [/B]

Sound the buzzer, because you're wrong again. He's free to voice his opinion, which by the looks was more an emotional thing. He may hate Israel for taking his tax money or some other reason, so what... people can hate Palestinians too if they want, it's a free country. That's not my problem. Plus how do you know how I would react if someone would say "Fuck Palestine". You don't have a crystal ball. Are you reaching for those popular straws again?

I try not to get involved in posts like that. I try and focus in on when someone tries to lie or twist facts (which is why I argue with you a lot) and post my opinions on current events. Anyways, how am I to respond to someone making a statement like fuck "them". Now if someone said fuck these people because they --insert some lie or twisted fact-- did this or that, that's different.

[Doron Diamond]

>>Running over an American protestor in plain sight isn't evil?

She couldn't move out of the way? When you do what she did, you put yourself in the line of that kind of possibility. She was protesting the bulldozing of homes of people who support terrorism and suicide bombers. I could just as easily say she was evil. You twist things a lot!


>>Still trying to defend the indefensible? Ok well I'll do this one last time:

>>Me: But then again you're the same guy that said the only way peace would happen if all Palestinians were gone from occupied Palestine, aka "Israel".

Nope, I said the only way peace would happen is when one side is gone. Then again, I'm not for flowers and sunshine and rainbows. I know total peace isn't possible, and I want both sides their. But I know that isn't realistic either. You're knowingly confusing what I said versus what you want me to sound like I'm saying, and no one is buying it. No one but you (and I don't even believe you believe that at all.)

>>Anyone can connect the dots here and come up with the same conclusion.

Then how come no one else has? If you truly believe I want all the palestinians gone (which I know you don't believe in...you're just reaching for straws again) then what about the times when I said I believe that the Palestinian people are the real victims in this- victims of their governments and corrupt leaders? Funny how you like to leave out whatever is convinient for your argument.
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>>Sound the buzzer, because you're wrong again. He's free to voice his opinion, which by the looks was more an emotional thing.

So why haven't you even questioned him? If I had said "Fuck Palestinians" you would have questioned and been all over me. You never questioned why he said a thing like that even once, which shows your tremendous bias yet again.

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
And you've convinced no one of the ridiculous notion that I want the whole Palestinian race wiped out. Except maybe Mr. Hill. By the way, Anti, if you're not biased at all, then how come when Mr. Hill says something like "Fuck Israel" you have nothing to say about how he generalizes and how he wants them all gone, but if someone were to say "Fuck the Palestinians" you'd be all over them? Again, typical hypocrisy on your part.

I didn't say "fuck the Israelis." I said "fuck Israel." Antizionist didn't convince me to say it. I said it because I'm sick of paying for Israel to continue an occupation that is both murderous and unfair. I don't want the Israelis wiped out. Hell, I don't disagree with the existance of Israel. What I do disagree is me being forced to pay for what happens over there. So yea, FUCK ISRAEL. I didn't say fuck the Jews, or fuck the Israelis, I said fuck Israel. When someone says "fuck America," I don't feel hurt, because they're not saying "fuck you Lonnie," or "fuck all Americans," they're probably referring to our government. Well, I'm reffering to Israel's government. Fuck them.

Oh, SabuFan, the West Point comment was fucking great.

[Doron Diamond]

>>I didn't say "fuck the Israelis." I said "fuck Israel." Antizionist didn't convince me to say it.

I know he didn't. I'm simply saying if anyone said the same thing except with Palestinians instead, Anti would go crazy.

[SabuFan316]

Originally posted by MrHill
I didn't say "fuck the Israelis." I said "fuck Israel."

I think your reason for saying "fuck Israel" is your own opinion. If you dont want to pay for what happens in Isreal, thats your business. But if you say fuck Israel with no real explanation, and just flaunt it...i think jews and isrealis alike should and would take offense to it. You really should be saying "fuck american policy towarrds isreal"



Originally posted by MrHill When someone says "fuck America," I don't feel hurt[/B]

you should...I would. If a foreigner said that to me, Id knock his lights out (if he was smaller then me...well im being honest).

Originally posted by MrHill Oh, SabuFan, the West Point comment was fucking great. [/B]

I dont know if that was sarcasm or not, either way...West point may be a pro war school...kinda. But your avoiding the fact that Doron questioned any school being a war-school, and he is right. Beverly Hills fuckin High, you really cant get more jewish for a public school in Cal, they had a walk-out/protest for the war.

[Steve72]

Beverly Hills fuckin High, you really cant get more jewish for a public school in Cal, they had a walk-out/protest for the war.

Was it anything like the proposed walkout/protest they had when the schoolboard wouldn't let Donna graduate because she was drunk at the prom?

LET DONNA GRADUATE!

[DoronD]

Originally posted by teamJesus
Was it anything like the proposed walkout/protest they had when the schoolboard wouldn't let Donna graduate because she was drunk at the prom?

LET DONNA GRADUATE!

Donna Martin graduates.Not Let Donna Graduate,you penis wrinkle.

[Doron Diamond]

How is SabuFan's comment about classes any more stereotypical or false than yours Steve?

[Steve72]

Well, first I'd like to hear your explaination on how they aren't any more stereotypical.

[SabuFan316]

Well, there isnt much difference between school walk outs. In 90210, a fictional school called West Beverly High, the students walked out to support Donna Martin to graduate even if she was drunk for prom...and in addition the Juniors wanted the proposed dress code dropped


In REAL life, a place you strive not to live in TeamJesus, Beverly High walked out to protest the war in Iraq. Both were walkouts, so yeah...they were similar.

Secondly, I said nothing stereotypical about classes. What? The fact that I dont know anyone who takes automotive repair...is a fact, not stereotypical. The fact that at the school I go to, it is indeed an obscure class that very few people take...is a fact. I never said lets cut the class, I never said the class isnt important, I just stated what I knew about the in reference to my school.

[MrHill]

Schools all over the country had walkouts. SF State had one too. But that doesn't mean every school was like that. I can't imagine too man walkouts happening at schools in places like West Texas or Mississippi. California is a very liberal state, except for San Diego and Orange County, so BHH having a walkout doesn't shock me at all. I wasn't being sarcastic, by the way, the West Point comment was funny.

[SabuFan316]

then why bring up a pont about SF being an anti-war school, when just about...just about...everyone on this board is from California anyway.

[antizionist]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
She couldn't move out of the way? When you do what she did, you put yourself in the line of that kind of possibility. She was protesting the bulldozing of homes of people who support terrorism and suicide bombers. I could just as easily say she was evil. You twist things a lot!

If I ever had any doubt about your lack of humanity and great hostility, that paragraph clinched it. First, it's an excuse to say they bulldoze homes of bombers. Many homes are not families of bombers. Most are bulldozed to make way for jewish only settlements, not to punish and it's a fact. Why else would they then quickly build jewish colonies nearly a week after the bulldozing. Second, why should she move?... it's a damn protest. Imagine if someone did that here. People with ethics and morals have the decency not to just kill unarmed protesters. There is no twisting that. Anyone who runs over and kills a protester is scum in my book. Just because it was an Israeli murder doesn't mean you have to agree with it. If I used your logic, I could easily say that the Palestinian bombers are only protecting their land and are fighting back. Basically, trying to justify their murder the same way you try to justify all Israeli murders. But the difference is, I can see what's blatantly right and wrong no matter who does it.

Nope, I said the only way peace would happen is when one side is gone. Then again, I'm not for flowers and sunshine and rainbows. I know total peace isn't possible, and I want both sides their. But I know that isn't realistic either. You're knowingly confusing what I said versus what you want me to sound like I'm saying, and no one is buying it. No one but you (and I don't even believe you believe that at all.)

You confirmed my arguement. I said you said only way for peace is if all Palestinians are gone. And you say that the only way for peace is when one side is gone. Then you go into some nonsensical tangent after that first sentence.

Then how come no one else has? If you truly believe I want all the palestinians gone (which I know you don't believe in...you're just reaching for straws again) then what about the times when I said I believe that the Palestinian people are the real victims in this- victims of their governments and corrupt leaders? Funny how you like to leave out whatever is convinient for your argument.

The straws are back in play! You sure assume way too much, but that's because you have no fact or proof to back up anything you say... so you assume everything.

How do you know nobody else has? Plus when you talk about Palestinian hardship you place all blame on their leaders and NONE on what Israel has done and continue to do to them. I, at least have the integrity and common sense to blame both sides when they deserve it... you on the other hand have neither.

So why haven't you even questioned him? If I had said "Fuck Palestinians" you would have questioned and been all over me. You never questioned why he said a thing like that even once, which shows your tremendous bias yet again.

Why should I question him? Didn't I make it clear why I didn't? Plus how do you know how I would react if you said something. You assume just too much.

Hey, since you dodged this before, I will post it again:

Me: Plus YOU DID say the only way for peace is if one side was completely gone. You did say that.

You: Again, nope. Find it. Never said it. Ever.

Previously- You: There will never be peace there. Not until one side is gone. Ever.

Liar, liar... pants on fire.

[Doron Diamond]

I know exactly the type of person that you are Anti, and it doesn't work on me.

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
I know exactly the type of person that you are Anti, and it doesn't work on me.

He seems like the type of person who doesn't stand for bullshit. Anti may seem "extreme" to some, but the guy has facts for every argument. Doron, you've said a lot about yourself with this argument.

The only time I said SF State was an anti-war school was in context with the speech. I was giving the jist of it. I didn't mean for that to turn into another argument.

[Doron Diamond]

>>He seems like the type of person who doesn't stand for bullshit.

Nah, he's biased and reaches for straws. And his only comeback for that is making fun of the "reaching for straws" comment. He's got lame points and he uses personal insults and tries to twist words around.

>>Anti may seem "extreme" to some, but the guy has facts for every argument.

Nonsense, he just twists things around however he feels like it. I can do that too.

>>Doron, you've said a lot about yourself with this argument.

Go back to school, you student!

[MrHill]

Originally posted by Doron Diamond
Go back to school, you student!

If I'm the student, why are you the one continually getting schooled?

[Justin Crast]

Lonnie wrote:

: President Corrigan made the statement on the Monday we got
: back from spring break (the war started during our spring
: break). He said that SFSU was an anti-war school, and he also
: said that the war was partially to blame for the tuition hiking
: even further than it had because of Governor Davis' budgeting.
: You can search the site all you want, if you don't find it, I'm
: really not concerned. A few friends of mine actually saw the
: speech live, and I remember when I read the news when I
: woke up. Why would I lie about this stuff?

These are President Corrigan's remarks on Monday, March 24th, 2003:

http://www.sfsu.edu/~news/iraq/pres2.htm

He never says the war is causing budget cuts and never even gives an opinion on the war. He is completely diplomatic and the main point is basically to encourage thoughtful debate over violence and empty protest. Its well thought out and written but unfortunately, this was not the speech you keep referring to.

Academic Senate Chair Robert Cherny also gave a speech on Monday, March 24th, 2003, which can be viewed here:

http://www.sfsu.edu/~news/iraq/cherny2.htm

He does come out against the war and does imply that war funding will cut into the education budget.


Whereas public funding for social services and schools -- from preschools through primary and secondary schools as well as colleges and universities -- would be likely to suffer profoundly, and for an undeterminable period of time irremediably, from the drastic cuts accompanying a wartime economy; and

"Whereas such cuts would seriously constrain access to public colleges and universities, and to the high-quality education without which the future of students for years to come, and the well-being of the country, would be severely damaged;

I believe this is the speech you are thinking about, and not the Corrigan one. And while this speech does relate to what you said, there is a key difference.

You said the war has already cause a lack of funding by the national government to California. In Cherny's speech, he does not say it has already happened, he predicts it. That is a key difference.

I've also searched the internet for other examples of education cutting being blamed on the war and found a number of articles relating the two although I haven't found any specific documents stating what the exact cuts are by the government or when they were put in place or even if they have been put in place. It seems like most people are simply saying its going to happen but it hasn't actually happened. I could be wrong and if someone with a knack fo research can find specific documents then that'd help.

I did, however, find an article which specifically downplays the national government's role in education funding that can be found here, as posted earlier:

http://www.metnews.com/articles/haynes032603.htm

Justin