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Justin Crast
04-14-2003, 05:06 PM
APW JR

When I heard Golden State Championship Wrestling was changing their name to All Pro Wrestling-Los Angelas, I laughed. Who wouldn’t? The very names are ironically hilarious. GSCW’s name implied a statewide fed, not contained to one region. Now they are based out of LA, as regional as it gets.

The move comes just as GSCWs’ hype in SoCal was reaching its highest points. Several reports from their shows have proclaimed it the best fed around, producing some of the best shows in recent memory. Some people even claim the show quality is better than EPIC’s, which had been the near consensus pick for sheer show quality. This move, however, has resulted in a near consensus of negative opinion.

It is not hard to know why. APW has ran exactly one non-sold show since November 2001. They have ran a handful of sold shows in that time period as well. Running one big show in 18 months could be reason enough to avoid a merger, but the fact that there is a very controversial, potentially business-ruining lawsuit hanging over APW’s heads is even worse. You have to question the sanity of a man that takes what was one of the most critically acclaimed businesses in SoCal wrestling and decides to become a subordinate of one of the most controversial (and inactive) feds from NoCal.

As has been pointed out by Paul T. on the message board, this new relationship puts Henry Luna’s control of merchandise and promotion in a sticky situation. Roland Alexander’s claim to the APW name would also logically give him claim to APW-LA. Who knows how far he can push that. The move also introduces a whole slew of politics to the fed that was already beginning to suffer under the weight of such things. Workers such as Hook Bomberry and Nikki who are building names for themselves in SoCal will now more than likely not be welcome in the new promotion. Also, with UPW aligned with PWI, the NorCal politics that have been plaguing that scene could become front and center in SoCal.

Like I said, I laughed when I heard about the merger. Luna’s dealings with APW over the past few months started out good but of recent the politics involved have caused him to be criticized by both fans and those in the business. The North-South feud was botched, with APW squashing GSCW up North and the two feds running even in the South. To make things worse, there was never a blow off to the feud, bringing back memories of the epically botched NWO-WCW (non)blow off. In hindsight, someone should have realized something was up when the feud was hurriedly ended without resolution on the last GSCW show.

Hopefully an official statement by Henry Luna will be available soon. Right now the opinion going around is that he had to have been made an awesome deal to become a subordinate to APW. That is questionable, though, since APW’s finances can not be all that fantastic or they would be running regularly. The idea that this opens up the door to a wealth of Northern talent is a flawed one, as the only break out star in APW is Bobby Quance, and his affiliation with APW lessens each month (he lives in SoCal and trains at the Inoki Dojo now). Robert Thompson and Jardi Frantz are good talents but neither are super stars or fantastic workers. Guys like James Choi, Larry Blackwell, and others are young and with potential, but green and not of much use to a fed that already has the ability to bring in much better seasoned pros locally. As I have said, and many others too, this deal clearly favors APW. It gives the company the appearance of a larger corporation with a smaller subordinate in the South. It also opens up the door to more talent for the home base in the North, which without SoCal talent, would be lagging far below its past levels.

How will it all work out? I don’t know, but I can’t deny that I am not looking forward to APW -JR.

XPW

Xtreme Pro-Wrestling looks done, at least for the moment. They are losing TV in nearly every market, including the home base of Los Angeles. Future shows are being cancelled and Rob Black will be forced to spend a decent chunk of change to defend himself against federal authorities.
Talent is jumping ship, including their most high profile “homegrown” star Kaos, something that has been predicted for a long time. The roster is carried by exclusively ex-ECW stars unable to land big jobs in larger feds. The only top star left that has been in XPW from nearly the beginning is Supreme. Call it a hunch, but I doubt he will be around for the long haul either.

XPW was the most well known and popular fed in SoCal throughout the past few years, but its complete inadequacy in the pro-wrestling business has weakened it throughout. Now it appears to be almost over. Not many are shedding a tear.

UPW

Ultimate Pro-Wrestling’s big show at the Grove is shaping up nicely. The battle royal is being hyped big on the net as a return to past glory, following in the tradition of the legendary 22 man battle royals of the past. These types of matches are traditionally boring, but hopefully a lot of thought gets put into it and they do something exciting to live up to the hype.

The match that is interesting me the most, though, is the likely Frankie Kazarian vs. Mikey Henderson match. A couple years ago, both guys were on the WWF radar, with Henderson generating a lot of hype on the West Coast for his series of matches with Chris Daniels while Kazarian was gaining fame as Nova’s tag team partner. Kazarian has kept up the pace, becoming maybe the best all around wrestler in SoCal while Henderson’s focus has drifted. This is sort of his big “come back” match after taking a lot of time off. He has wrestled recently, but this, in my opinion, is his first high profile match. It will be a chance to show he is back and can hang with the elite talent..

A complaint about UPW’s matches has long been that they are formulaic, short, and don’t really showcase the full range of what the guys can do. Hopefully, Kazarian and Henderson transcend that reputation. This will be a test for both to prove they really do belong in WWF and that they are able to offer something no one else can.

ETC.

I just recently recalled an opinion Dave Meltzer had on Adam Pearce from way back. He didn’t feel Pearce had the great look WWF looked for in a wrestler but was extremely impressed with his talking skills. He felt Pearce could have made a great heel manager since he possessed those talking skills, plus he could bump and get involved physically when needed. The role, at the time, did not really exist in WWF but at the present there are two guys that basically do the same thing: Ric Flair and Rico Constantino. Both are trained wrestlers but for one reason or another basically are managers who wrestle on special occasion. I think if WWF is serious about this new wrestler/manager hybrid, they could find no better candidate than Adam Pearce.

Looks like Bobby Quance will be starting in New Japan Pro-Wrestling by the end of the year.

WCWA is still hopeful of starting a wrestling school before the end of the year. It would be the only school located in the San Diego area.

Threat is trying to stay out of the spotlight at the present and let all the controversy die down, but UWW is still being planned and Threat himself plans on wrestling in SoCal again shortly.

None of the junior heavyweight foreigners All Japan used on the past couple tours have been officially invited back yet. The company is on cost-cutting mode and the fact that Super Dragon, Red, and Elix Skipper have yet to be officially announced seems to imply the promotion was not impressed enough to make any permanent roster members. That doesn’t mean they will never be back, though, as it also took NJPW a few months to invite American Dragon back.

Rumors that Gary Yap hasn’t really “tapped out”, or at least he thinks it was a premature ref stoppage, because there are rumors he is going to try and get back into the scene. Money, cameras, apologies, and the such are all still owed to various people.

And that’s that.

Justin
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boogiewog
04-14-2003, 05:21 PM
*swoon*

Simon Johnston II
04-14-2003, 07:22 PM
I think before people start dumping on APWLA, they should give the "powers that be" (or I should say, "power that eats") a chance to see where it's going. It all sounds like nothing more than a publicity seeking worked angle, which so far is working. People are talking about APWLA, and that's what they want. At least let them run one show before you pass negative judgement. I wasn't interested and motivated enough to go to the last few GSCW shows. But now I'm intrigued to see what all the fuss is about.

And so far the lineup for the first APWLA show looks pretty damn good. Bobby Quance vs B-Boy vs Super Dragon vs Jardi Franz looks like at the very worst will still be great, if not better. Also the undercard looks like it'll probably be entertainng as well. Hell, with that four-way main event, along with Messiah, Kaos, Melissa, and all the rest makes me not care what they name the promotion. I don't care if they name the group, JBBM (Jonathan Barber Bowel Movement), if they put on a good show, then I'll go.

By the looks of things so far, the only thing that's changed from the fans' perspective is the name. Big deal! Maybe along with the name, APW will bring down south some of their production values like lighting and sound. Maybe there was a legit change in the guard for reasons we don't know. Maybe Henry Luna got fed up with all the B.S. politics that no doubt come with running an indy fed. Who knows, and who cares? As long it's an entertaining product, then we should give them a chance.

As far as the legal rights to merchandise sales, it's never been that complicated on indy shows. The general rule of thumb is the money made from merchandise sales goes to whomever paid to produce the merchandise. If Henry Luna brings a batch of old GSCW tapes to sell at the shows, Roland Alexander won't get a cut. If Roland pays for new APWLA shirts out of his own pocket, Henry doesn't get a share of profits. It's usually that basic. Anyway, it's the workers that usually keep 100% of whatever they bring to sell (like photos and shirts). But either way, don't worry. Roland always puts everything in writing. And half of Henry's family is involved with the law. (Don't ask where the other half is:))

Personally, I think there is way too much fuss over everything. Especially before their first show. As far as I can see so far, it's just the same shit, different name.

I think it's a mistake to say that XPW is finished. How many people have said over the years (and it has been YEARS) that XPW is near death, and how many of them were correct? Think of all the groups that have come and gone out of business since XPW. Remember all the talk and hype for MECW in Philly, or XWF in Florida, or EPIC in SoCal? How about that Australian fed with that huge list of indy stars that went nowhere? Their promoter is still in Australian courts battling to stay out of prison. So as far as XPW being done, wait until the fat lady sings before you start making funeral arrangements.

As far as Gary Yap and EPIC, quit dreaming. The fat lady finished her encores, and is making herself a sandwich.

And as far as UPW, Frankie Kazarian, Mikey Henderson, and Adam Pearce, I absolutely agree.

And I agree that Bobby Quance could very easily have a full-time Japan gig a year from now. That is, if the WWE doesn't snatch him up first!

AProctor
04-14-2003, 08:11 PM
Meanwhile, amongst all of this - PCW continues the Philadelphia Invasion with our shows on April 26 & April 27th. I think that PCW shouldn't be counted out in this, as we are basically the only SoCal indy (at this moment) working indirectly with CZW. CZW is, undoubtedly, the most popular indy in the US (at least on the Internet). I really feel, as a wrestling fan, PCW is quite underrated and for those who missed January 25th's show, I give an open invitation to check out both of our shows next weekend. You won't be disappointed.

Simon Johnston II
04-14-2003, 08:20 PM
We already have plans on the 26th and 27th to see Rob Zombie's "Land Of 1000 Corpses"!

I guess we'll have to miss seeing you and your Dale Bozzio lovin' ass!

AProctor
04-14-2003, 08:27 PM
LOL.

At least you know who Dale Bozzio is. I'd say 98% of the Internet wrestling community doesn't.

Jonathan Barber756
04-14-2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Aaron Proctor
CZW is, undoubtedly, the most popular indy in the US (at least on the Internet).

No, it's not. It's not even the second most popular. The most popular is TNA. Then ROH. Then CZW or XPW. Whether we like it or not, XPW is definitely known about by more people. However, at the same time, I think CZW fans are more passionate about their product than XPW fans are, so it kind of evens out. That third spot is debateable.

Hopefully Roley doesn't screw up the APW thing.

gurentai_pt1
04-14-2003, 09:04 PM
disclaimer: As usual, I am not claiming to be an expert or anything since I've never owned a fed....and Barber shut the fuck up.
I think before people start dumping on APWLA, they should give the "powers that be" (or I should say, "power that eats") a chance to see where it's going.
Although I, like Justin, laughed at the concept, I agree with the "wait and see" stance only based on GSCW's track record of starting by renting the marketplace, drawing shit and then becoming what it is. This tells me the owner is not a Ya....I mean...it tells me he's not clueless. I think his track record of doing surprisingly decent is what's confusing everyone with this situation. Their logic being: "Why fix what ain't broke?" I think that is a fair and expected reaction.

If Henry Luna brings a batch of old GSCW tapes to sell at the shows, Roland Alexandr won't get a cut. If Roland pays for new APWLA shirts out of his own pocket, Henry doesn't get a share of profits.
This is something I mentioned because I've seen similar situations. And also, you managed to give examples that I was not talking about. In the above cases, what you say makes total sense. My example is this....

What if Henry produces APW-LA t shirts? How about when Henry pays for, runs, tapes, and sells tapes of an APW-LA show? If Henry doesn't have the right to use the "APW" name in writing, then legally APW-Sr. can keep Henry from selling the products even if Henry produced it. Also, legally APW Sr. can take the tape, reproduce it and sell it themselves.

The reason I say this is because I have seen examples of this before, where a member of a group sold merch using the group's name, then after the fact the group claimed it deserved a portion of the profit for using the group name on the product.

Jonathan Barber756
04-14-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by gurentai_pt1
[B]and Barber shut the fuck up.

You're right...I'll make sure next time not to steal the spotlight from another one of your rants.

:o

Rev
04-14-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Aaron Proctor
LOL.

At least you know who Dale Bozzio is. I'd say 98% of the Internet wrestling community doesn't.

Some of us have met her. Nyeah! :D

AProctor
04-15-2003, 07:33 AM
If I met Dale Bozzio, she'd be on her back quicker than Missy Hyatt at a WCW board meeting.

Trent Taylor
04-15-2003, 07:40 AM
Is that because she fell over laughing at you....


j/k...Had to do it....

AProctor
04-15-2003, 07:48 AM
LOL..that was pretty funny.

Why don't you come back to managing?

Trent Taylor
04-15-2003, 09:43 AM
Do you realllllllyyyy think the Philly Connection would be doing so well if I organized a SoCal Defense...

Justin Case
04-15-2003, 10:16 AM
Hey Aaron,

Give people a little more credit than that. Dale was the wife of that incredibly great drummer Terry Bozzio hahahahaha

DAREALGUMMY
04-15-2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Jonathan Barber756
You're right...I'll make sure next time not to steal the spotlight from another one of your rants.

:o
I hope not

Oh wait he's banned :D

AProctor
04-15-2003, 09:32 PM
I heard Dale Bozzio and Warren Cucirillo (later in Duran Duran) would cruise LA to look for chicks for threesomes.

Weird, wild stuff.

Da Bean
04-15-2003, 10:59 PM
Aaron, you forget, This is LA. People here know music, this ain't Philly.

and Terry Bozzio also recorded with one of my guitar heroes Jeff Beck.

Dale made it big thanks to MY fave - Frank Zappa.

Now quit it

AProctor
04-16-2003, 07:46 AM
Calm down, Bean. LOL.

Cathair
04-16-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Jonathan Barber756
No, it's not. It's not even the second most popular. The most popular is TNA. Then ROH. Then CZW or XPW. Whether we like it or not, XPW is definitely known about by more people.

TNA aint that popular,a lot of their audience get in for free. Just because xpw is talked about, it doesnt mean its popular.Look at their shows in Philly, terrible attendance records:rolleyes:

AZWLBillyRidge
04-16-2003, 03:00 PM
TNA fans get in for free?

Franchiser16
04-16-2003, 07:27 PM
I don't really think there is one fed that can be defined as the 'most popular'. As these feds run in different areas.

CZW gets a 'big' (in indy wrestling) crowd for their Philly shows. But doesn't really draw well in other areas they have run such as NJ and DE. Also CZW hasn't run in 'important' area's such as New York etc to see if they can really draw with their current roster. I don't agree with calling CZW the most popular at all.

XPW couldn't be considered the most popular ether. XPW has drawn 'big' crowds in L.A, Philly and Pittsburgh. But whether they can maintain that 'buzz' around their product so they can draw in an area other than SoCal is really yet to be determined. They have run Pittsbugh once, but I don't know if they will be able to get over 1,000 if they ever run there again.

Simon Johnston II
04-16-2003, 10:57 PM
After the last XPW X Park show, one of the wreslters showed us an old Hustler Magazine that has a nude "spread" (pun intended) of Dale Bozzio before Missing Persons. No question, It was the real Dale. And none of the pages were stuck together.:) The wreslter said his jealous girlfriend tried to throw the Hustler out, but he found it in the bin, and was trying to sell it at the show.

Tai Mai Shu
04-18-2003, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by AZWLBillyRidge
TNA fans get in for free?

I know a guy that gets in for free like every week...And sits like 3rd row, so not a lot of people must be paying. He says these comps are like at all the gas stations in town. He scanned a pic of his comp, lemme find it.